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for that matter, good economic numbers helped bill clinton in 1996. back then, conservatives and republicans didn't make this kind of stuff up. but what's also insidious here is that the people who collect economic data for our government are really good. they really care about the integrity of their numbers. if there was something wrong here, they would cry to the heavens to say, somebody is manipulating these numbers. >> yeah, but the point is, if somebody was manipulating the numbers, why have high unemployment numbers in the first place? the problem, e.j. -- and i want you to weigh in on this, too, joan, they are now reaching to find a rational for why romney is running. if unemployment is now going down, if you have 30 months of private job creation, if you have bin laden dead, why is romney running? that's the problem they are getting if these numbers are out and they are out and they are valid numbers. >> he's losing rationale, and, you know, he began to lie today on the campaign trail because i think he said, what's happening is that people ar
for that matter, good economic numbers helped bill clinton in 1996. back then, conservatives and republicans didn't make this kind of stuff up. but what's also insidious here is that the people who collect economic data for our government are really good. they really care about the integrity of their numbers. if there was something wrong here, they would cry to the heavens to say, somebody is manipulating these numbers. >> yeah, but the point is, if somebody was manipulating the numbers,...
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bill clinton a master of the form. what is the biggest lesson the president has learned from bill clinton's performance at the dnc? >> i think ultimately what president clinton did was crystallize the economic argument and economic choice before us, because we built the economy from the middle class out during the 1990s. you saw where that led us to a government surplus in 23 million jobs created. the republicans in the next decade, did all the same sorts of things that mitt romney would like to do today, passed a tax cut for the wealthiest that led to the lowest pace of job creation since world war ii, stripped back oversight from wall street a financial house of cards that collapsed in 2008. so president clinton made clear this isn't some sort of economic theory, we've tried these policies before and you saw where we ended up. let's pursue those that work. >> ben in terms of the strategy, we were talking about the fact that mitt romney has been trotting out i won't call it stakes, maybe dried pieces of chicken in ter
bill clinton a master of the form. what is the biggest lesson the president has learned from bill clinton's performance at the dnc? >> i think ultimately what president clinton did was crystallize the economic argument and economic choice before us, because we built the economy from the middle class out during the 1990s. you saw where that led us to a government surplus in 23 million jobs created. the republicans in the next decade, did all the same sorts of things that mitt romney would...
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. >> also on the list, bill clinton, he made that big old splash in the dnc. why was his presidency such a success? >> i think it was him helping the democratic party. helping ending the motion of the a robust welfare state and really modernizing the democratic party and making it more business friendly. >> is there someone who this yale historian decided was the worst president? >> he did not ran rank the worst president of the last 100 years. >> but president obama made that cut, being the most recent. not only even that. i think he was a path breaking president, you look at health care reform. it it it's. >> okay, thank you so much. >> what it takes to prepare to moderate a presidential debate. former abc news news anchor joins us in the next hour with her experience. and the next. there's cash flow options from pnc. solutions to help businesses like yours accelerate receivables, manage payments, and help ensure access to credit. because we know how important cash flow is to reaching your goals. pnc bank. for the achiever in you. there's natural gas under m
. >> also on the list, bill clinton, he made that big old splash in the dnc. why was his presidency such a success? >> i think it was him helping the democratic party. helping ending the motion of the a robust welfare state and really modernizing the democratic party and making it more business friendly. >> is there someone who this yale historian decided was the worst president? >> he did not ran rank the worst president of the last 100 years. >> but president...
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contributor sam stein of the "the huffington post," former hillary clinton adviser and deputy new york city mayor howard wolfson, msnbc contributor and queen bee of thegrio.com joy reid and buzz feed editor in chief always busy ben smith. the first presidential debate that hour and a half spectacle of ob fewcation, confusion, triumph and exhaustion may be ancient history by the end of today, maybe. new numbers show the nation's unemployed rate dropped to 7.8%. the lowest number since president obama took office in 2009. while the economy added a relatively modest 114,000 jobs in september, new revisions show that july and august saw a combined increase of 86,000 more jobs than originally reported. needless to say, those numbers put a certain pep back in president obama's step. >> more americans entered the work force, more people are getting jobs. now every month reminds us that we've still got too many of our friends and neighbors looking for work. today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country
contributor sam stein of the "the huffington post," former hillary clinton adviser and deputy new york city mayor howard wolfson, msnbc contributor and queen bee of thegrio.com joy reid and buzz feed editor in chief always busy ben smith. the first presidential debate that hour and a half spectacle of ob fewcation, confusion, triumph and exhaustion may be ancient history by the end of today, maybe. new numbers show the nation's unemployed rate dropped to 7.8%. the lowest number since...
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and if you take, again, obama's performance, against hillary clinton, when he attacked hillary clinton, he came off as arrogant and sort of -- it didn't come off well. i think that's what's he's got to try and draw a line there. and when you go into this town hall debate, at the risk of being prematurely sitting expectations, that is obama's format. he's got to be favored going into that, that's the kind of format he does best in. but can he draw distinctions and go after mitt romney and attack him on his positions and call him the flip-flopper without coming off as the arrogant obama we saw him in the primaries. >> my thanks to karen finney and chris wilson. thank you so much. >> thanks. >>> just a month away from the elections. two new polls show president obama with an enormous lead over mitt romney among latinos in two key swing states. the number of from latino voters show mr. obama leading romney 78 to 17% in nevada. and in florida, obama leads romney 61 to 31%. romney has had a problem connecting with hispanics for months, and in just the past few days, began a new push to try t
and if you take, again, obama's performance, against hillary clinton, when he attacked hillary clinton, he came off as arrogant and sort of -- it didn't come off well. i think that's what's he's got to try and draw a line there. and when you go into this town hall debate, at the risk of being prematurely sitting expectations, that is obama's format. he's got to be favored going into that, that's the kind of format he does best in. but can he draw distinctions and go after mitt romney and attack...
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i really do have a great deal of respect for secretary of state clinton. she's an extraordinary person within american politics. i don't know if she's the next president after this one. let's get through this election first. >>> up next, what becomes of losing vice presidential candidates. it's time for a pop quiz. we've got stickers. >> you know who loves debates? who? >> the fishes. the fish eat bait. >> i get. it's a thinker. i like that. >> it is a thinker. big bird, everyone. ♪ [ male announcer ] jill and her mouth have lived a great life. but she has some dental issues she's not happy about. so i introduced jill to crest pro-health for life. selected for people over 50. pro-health for life is a toothpaste that defends against tender, inflamed gums, sensitivity and weak enamel. conditions people over 50 experience. crest pro-health for life. so jill can keep living the good life. crest. life opens up when you do. that's 3 moves, 5 jobs, 2 newborns. it's no wonder i'm getting gray. but kate -- still looks like...kate. with nice'n easy, all they see i
i really do have a great deal of respect for secretary of state clinton. she's an extraordinary person within american politics. i don't know if she's the next president after this one. let's get through this election first. >>> up next, what becomes of losing vice presidential candidates. it's time for a pop quiz. we've got stickers. >> you know who loves debates? who? >> the fishes. the fish eat bait. >> i get. it's a thinker. i like that. >> it is a thinker....
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bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >> the bush people are getting very, very tired of hearing that the president did not hit a home run last night. >> so at this point as a nation, in our entire history as a country, we have had four national attempts of a challenger making his television debate debut against the sitting president of the united states. and after doing this four times as a nation, the record for incumbent presidents facing these challengers is 0-4. okay. so now 1996, incumbent president is that now not as young man from arkansas, bill clinton, and his challenger that year is bob dole. did bob dole really beat incumbent bill clinton in their first debate? actually, no
bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >> the bush people are getting very, very tired of hearing that the president did not...
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hillary clinton. what was her greatest achievement? let's look at the picture you took of her. you had to fight through the staff to get near it. that is a gorgeous picture. >> thank you. >> great photography. she should really want to have that picture. >> i wanted to give it to her for her campaign. >> got a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of office. your thoughts of her as a person and a public figure. >> she is very gracious and very brilliant and we're so lucky to have her. >> my feeling about hillary and i've been tough on her and i take it all back. i do it every week. politics is rough and journalism on politics is tough. i'm with her, when i'm with her i fall for her. there is a claharm that doesn't come across on tv. >> well she is. she is brilliant. >> we know that. >> she does an incredible job. but she is also real. when i first got here in the house and then my husband and i married and i was expecting twins, you know, the president and secretary clinton invited us over for dinner. we went upstai
hillary clinton. what was her greatest achievement? let's look at the picture you took of her. you had to fight through the staff to get near it. that is a gorgeous picture. >> thank you. >> great photography. she should really want to have that picture. >> i wanted to give it to her for her campaign. >> got a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of office. your thoughts of her as a person and a public...
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parker can feel your pain just like bill clinton. i think one of the tasks for mitt romney is to prove he can feel your pain, not just inflict it. up next, what difference does it make when your president is also your friend? at least on facebook. thanks, parker. i appreciate it. >> nice job. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. ♪ spread a little love my way ♪ ♪ spread a little something to remember ♪ [ female announcer ] fresh milk and real cream makes philadelphia and the moment a little richer. so it can feel like you're using nothing at all. but neosporin® eczema essentials™ is different. its multi-action formula restores visibly healthier skin in 3 days. neosporin® eczema essentials™. is efficiently absorbed in small continuous amounts. citracal slow release continuously releases calcium plus d with efficient absorption in one daily dose. citracal slow release. oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of
parker can feel your pain just like bill clinton. i think one of the tasks for mitt romney is to prove he can feel your pain, not just inflict it. up next, what difference does it make when your president is also your friend? at least on facebook. thanks, parker. i appreciate it. >> nice job. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. ♪ spread a little love my way ♪ ♪ spread a little something to...
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hillary clinton. what is her greatest achievement? let's see the picture you took of her. i hear you had to cut through the staff to get to it. that's great photography. >> thank you. i wanted to give it to her for the campaign. >> she's had a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of the office. but your thoughts about her as a person and public figure? >> she's very gracious, she's very brilliant and we are so lucky to have her as our -- >> my feeling about hillary, i take it back again, i really do, because politics is rough and journalism and politics is tough but every time i'm with her, i just fall for her. there's a charm for that person that doesn't come across on tvs as well as it should. your thoughts, senator? >> well, she is. she's brilliant. but she is also real. when i first got here in the house and then my husband and i married and i was expecting twins, you know, the president and secretary clinton invited us over for dinner. we went upstairs and had chicken in the residence quarters and she had
hillary clinton. what is her greatest achievement? let's see the picture you took of her. i hear you had to cut through the staff to get to it. that's great photography. >> thank you. i wanted to give it to her for the campaign. >> she's had a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of the office. but your thoughts about her as a person and public figure? >> she's very gracious, she's very brilliant and we are so...
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up in that debate with hillary clinton. >> right. >> again, that is who he is. i think we are totally for getting that. >> not only that, but i think we're also for getting that both of these men, to your point, they were who they always have been, even in governing. barack obama has infuriated his own base because of this perception that he doesn't fight hard enough. >> recurrent theme. >> it's a recurrent theme. with mitt romney the recurrent theme among republicans, the reason he doesn't have a lot of frentsds in his party is the idea that he's a vicious debater. newt gingrich called him a liar in which he demolished supposedly the best debater in the republican party and he is known to be a flip-flopper. what did he do in that debate, he flip-flopped. everybody played the type. >> dedrick's point is smart about mitt romney in some ways was the beneficiary of lowered expectations and the beneficiary of the success of the obama campaign as painting him as a character of a ba foonish budocrat. by the time john kerry took the debate stage the bush campaign had d
up in that debate with hillary clinton. >> right. >> again, that is who he is. i think we are totally for getting that. >> not only that, but i think we're also for getting that both of these men, to your point, they were who they always have been, even in governing. barack obama has infuriated his own base because of this perception that he doesn't fight hard enough. >> recurrent theme. >> it's a recurrent theme. with mitt romney the recurrent theme among...
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>> well, in terms of obama, the great question the democratic presidents have been asking since clinton is, can you get a non-judge on the court? kagen was not a judge, but her background was judge-like. we were discussing earlier, the court that decided the board of education, one of the justices, not one had been a full time judge before. when alida replaced o'connor, they were all federal court judges. that is a terrible lack of diversity. she knew what it was like to raise money. >> she was a former state legislature. a lot of what comes in front of the court are sta chte statutes. >> for the middle. >> citizens united is a case that talks about giving money to campaigns as if it's a first amendment speech driven process. a politician may say, can i tell you what goes on, why people give money to campaigns? >> yeah. >> i would think, if this president is reelected, because there are so few court of appeals judges who are the right age, he will have to look outside the judiciary, which i agree, is a great thing. it's not only understanding how government works, it's understanding peo
>> well, in terms of obama, the great question the democratic presidents have been asking since clinton is, can you get a non-judge on the court? kagen was not a judge, but her background was judge-like. we were discussing earlier, the court that decided the board of education, one of the justices, not one had been a full time judge before. when alida replaced o'connor, they were all federal court judges. that is a terrible lack of diversity. she knew what it was like to raise money....
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clinton did his thing on his own. and the public saw his warmth and his ability to connect with people and they liked that. george bush blew that question you showed a part of. that was the good part of his answer, but when he first heard the question, he was like, i don't get it and people remember that he said i don't get it. and that was about the economy. and that's what people were feeling and hurting. >> when we talk about the fact you were the last female journalist to have access to a presidential debate like this and would you remind everybody that gwen eiffel moderated the '04 debate, an honor, but not a game changer, but you did write a piece -- we have candy crowley, who has the duties for one of these debates. you say don't forget, you will be treated differently because you are a woman. how is it different for women or minority moderators, when it comes to those tough questions on a woman's right to choose. is there an extra cautious line women need to take in asking that? >> she's not going to have the
clinton did his thing on his own. and the public saw his warmth and his ability to connect with people and they liked that. george bush blew that question you showed a part of. that was the good part of his answer, but when he first heard the question, he was like, i don't get it and people remember that he said i don't get it. and that was about the economy. and that's what people were feeling and hurting. >> when we talk about the fact you were the last female journalist to have access...
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bring bill clinton as his debate coach." that's one person's opinion of the matter. nevertheless, no chance in that happening, but we know from what david axelrod has said and others, there will likely be a strategy change for the president in the next debate. >> no one knows why the president didn't do as well. i think that you're going to see a more focused president obama. actually, a more focused obama campaign team on preparation. this is a conversation we had about mitt romney and a lot of things he said shouldn't have been too surprising given all the republican debates we had seen over the past year or so. and president obama was caught flat-footed, his campaign was flat-footed. we'll see if the adjustments they end up making as david axelrod promised. >> what's the early word on the vice presidential debates? you have democrats off the record worried knowing that biden could give a make moment or a break moment. >> it's most watched tv. it's important to note that paul ryan has never been on this stage before. joe biden, given he's run for president twice, i
bring bill clinton as his debate coach." that's one person's opinion of the matter. nevertheless, no chance in that happening, but we know from what david axelrod has said and others, there will likely be a strategy change for the president in the next debate. >> no one knows why the president didn't do as well. i think that you're going to see a more focused president obama. actually, a more focused obama campaign team on preparation. this is a conversation we had about mitt romney...
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against hillary clinton he wasn't a great debater. i have to look at tapes of obama as a debater in congressional races and state senate, he wasn't great. he's a speech maker. as a debater, he's never been good at all. laz night he outdid himself. he had so many allies to go down. whether about women. whether about 47%. whether it was about the fuz fuzziness of romney's policy suggestions on taxes. romney's suggestion the auto business bankrupt. he did not show up. he has to next time. the that you're going to see by tuesday is going to be significant in a lot of states. >> and also the swing in attitude. you look at the wall street journal editorial page. the best republican performance since 1980. bill crystal was saying the same thing last night. i was saying the same thing. i said, this is the best i've seen a republican do since 1980. >> in a generation. i've been very critical. bill crystal has been critical. conservatives have been critical. why can't mitt romney connect the dots? last night he did. how important is that -- for
against hillary clinton he wasn't a great debater. i have to look at tapes of obama as a debater in congressional races and state senate, he wasn't great. he's a speech maker. as a debater, he's never been good at all. laz night he outdid himself. he had so many allies to go down. whether about women. whether about 47%. whether it was about the fuz fuzziness of romney's policy suggestions on taxes. romney's suggestion the auto business bankrupt. he did not show up. he has to next time. the that...
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barack obama had four debates against hillary clinton, one on one in the 2008 democratic primary, then three debates against john mccain. it's a different dynamic than to be the frontrunner where four or five people are aiming at you throughout a debate. >> here we are on the eve practically of the first debate and it's supposed to be an economic, domestic policy. >> right. >> and now foreign policy has reared its head. we have first of all mitt romney and "the wall street journal" an op-ed, saying that these developments are not as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put our security at risk, yet amid this upheaval our country seems to be at the mercy of events rather than shaping them, not moving them in a direction that protects our people or allies. and paul ryan just now on the laura engram radio show, saying this about afghanistan. >> that echos also what john mccain said on "morning joe" today. are they trying to change the skubts to get off -- subject to get off 47% and other missteps and perceived problems in their camp or see a real vulner
barack obama had four debates against hillary clinton, one on one in the 2008 democratic primary, then three debates against john mccain. it's a different dynamic than to be the frontrunner where four or five people are aiming at you throughout a debate. >> here we are on the eve practically of the first debate and it's supposed to be an economic, domestic policy. >> right. >> and now foreign policy has reared its head. we have first of all mitt romney and "the wall...
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. >> bill clinton was on the other side of that equation while debating another 73 year old. this one was former senator bob dole. clinton handled the issue this way. >> i don't think senator bill is too old to be president. it's the age of his ideas that i question. >> so we'll have to wait and see if there is a memorable moment tonight that can shape the final month of the race. sometimes it is a one liner. sometimes it is a facial expression. >>> white house soup of the day. that is good soup. i wish i were eating it today. coconut shrimp. you are watching "the daily rundown" on msnbc. [ female announcer ] ready for a taste of what's hot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. with a vial and syringe. me, explaining what i was doing at breakfast. and me discovering novolog mix 70/30 flexpen. flexpen is pre-filled with your pre-mix insulin. dial the exact dose. inject by pushing a button. no vials, syringes or coo
. >> bill clinton was on the other side of that equation while debating another 73 year old. this one was former senator bob dole. clinton handled the issue this way. >> i don't think senator bill is too old to be president. it's the age of his ideas that i question. >> so we'll have to wait and see if there is a memorable moment tonight that can shape the final month of the race. sometimes it is a one liner. sometimes it is a facial expression. >>> white house soup...
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here comes bill clinton. he was at oxford during the vietnam war and participating in protests over there. george bush sr. on the campaign trail and the republicans started to play this up and coming close to questioning the patriotism of xwlibill clinton. bush brought it up and they went to clinton for a response. they think it can work here again. this is when we learned what a great and masterful communicator bill clinton is. this is how he handled it. >> i honor your service in world war ii. i honor mr. perot's service in the uniform and the service of any man and women who served, including admiral who is your chairman of the joint chiefs supporting me. when joe mccarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism, he was wrong. he was wrong. and a senator from connecticut stood up to him named prescott bush, your father was right to stand up to joe mccarthy. you are wrong to attack my patriotism. i was opposed to the war, but i loved my country. we need a president who will bring this country
here comes bill clinton. he was at oxford during the vietnam war and participating in protests over there. george bush sr. on the campaign trail and the republicans started to play this up and coming close to questioning the patriotism of xwlibill clinton. bush brought it up and they went to clinton for a response. they think it can work here again. this is when we learned what a great and masterful communicator bill clinton is. this is how he handled it. >> i honor your service in world...
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then clinton and bob dole. >> howard dean said that president obama should not make the same mistake al gore did in 2000 against george w. bush. >> that's not the way america's meant to be. >> and there, there's nixon with the flop sweat. george h.w. bush looking at his watch. appearances count, don't they? >> they really do. and a professional knows that. george h.w. bush in that debate, that third one in richmond in 1992, he was looking at his watch because he was trying to make the point that one of the other candidates had run over time. it didn't really compute this was sending the message that he was impatient, just the kind of message he didn't want to send. >> humor can be an effective tool, diffuse a weakness. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> and at that moment, a lot of people said well, there's the ball game. including his opponent. >> including walter mondale. >> what do you think about humor as a tool in this debate tonight? >> you'd better be a very accomplished ac
then clinton and bob dole. >> howard dean said that president obama should not make the same mistake al gore did in 2000 against george w. bush. >> that's not the way america's meant to be. >> and there, there's nixon with the flop sweat. george h.w. bush looking at his watch. appearances count, don't they? >> they really do. and a professional knows that. george h.w. bush in that debate, that third one in richmond in 1992, he was looking at his watch because he was...
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bill clinton gave a great speech at the convention and everyone loved what clinton said. it now turns out there was some underlying economic trends that was feeding that that we didn't really know about, but that makes sense now. and i think if that's the case heading into the critical month of october and obviously in november where we're going to have one more jobs report, i think that really does benefit the president. because that's been the underlying issue of this entire campaign. it's been the issue that mitt romney's campaigned on from the get-go. >> at the convention i think he framed obama the case for obama and particularly the case for obama on the economy more clearly than anyone else has on the campaign. >> no president, no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years. when president barack obama took office, the economy was in free fall, it had just shrunk. we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. the are we doing better today? the answer is yes. >> and we should say, we are actu
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that's what they've dope with clinton. it's still true. bill clinton today up in new hampshire again, sealed the deal again. he will do it in pennsylvania, he will do it in ohio, and when the time comes, he'll do it in wisconsin. they're going to own the rust belt, the democrats, because of this united party. that's what i think is really important this election. >> and you've got it on politics and you've got it on policy. you've got bill clinton in new hampshire stumping for president obama today. and today with this crisis in syria, in turkey, with this ongoing crisis in libya, you've got hillary clinton out there, the tip of the sphere, the administration, she's going press availabilities with the foreign minister of kazakhstan today. she's absolutely integrated into the obama administration with no question of any division between them. i think that's -- i think to the extent that the clinton popularity in those rust belt states still explains enthusiasm that, i think that's exactly right. >>> all right, we've got lots to come, includ
that's what they've dope with clinton. it's still true. bill clinton today up in new hampshire again, sealed the deal again. he will do it in pennsylvania, he will do it in ohio, and when the time comes, he'll do it in wisconsin. they're going to own the rust belt, the democrats, because of this united party. that's what i think is really important this election. >> and you've got it on politics and you've got it on policy. you've got bill clinton in new hampshire stumping for president...
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gore narrowly won that and so did clinton. record 3-1-1. in 2000 and '04, dick cheney dispatched his opponents. and in '08 palin outdid expectations but biden clearly won as did obama pushing the record to 6-1-1. five times in a row and six out of eight that the winner of the vp debate has gone on to win the election. various people in the media have wanted to declare
gore narrowly won that and so did clinton. record 3-1-1. in 2000 and '04, dick cheney dispatched his opponents. and in '08 palin outdid expectations but biden clearly won as did obama pushing the record to 6-1-1. five times in a row and six out of eight that the winner of the vp debate has gone on to win the election. various people in the media have wanted to declare
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and also americans like bill clinton. if you look at the fairvelt ratings, they're higher than the first lady's. >> kristen welker traveling with the president in nevada. that's a state we're going to dig deeper into in this hour. thanks again. we jump now to our monday morning power panel. we've got political analyst and columnist karen finney, alice, and perry bacon, msnbc contributor and political editor. thanks to all three of you being here. alice, i want to start with you. as we played off the top of the hour, governor chris christie repeating those comments. kind of raising the stakes for mitt romney three times specifically with david gregory on meet the press alone. do you think that he is doing mitt romney the nominee any favors predicting that he needs to seize that moment and pull momentum out of wednesday's debates to continue? >> well, certainly it's in his best interest to seize the moment. but the truth is we all know that president obama has a -- is a great orator and has a benit of having participated in
and also americans like bill clinton. if you look at the fairvelt ratings, they're higher than the first lady's. >> kristen welker traveling with the president in nevada. that's a state we're going to dig deeper into in this hour. thanks again. we jump now to our monday morning power panel. we've got political analyst and columnist karen finney, alice, and perry bacon, msnbc contributor and political editor. thanks to all three of you being here. alice, i want to start with you. as we...
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star of "the voice," christina aguilera is getting something from secretary of state, hillary clinton. you are watching "first look" on msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. a short word that's a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we will up it yet again. >>> here is what people are talking about. tonight was the first presidential debate between barack obama and romney. it was the obama's 20th wedding anniversary. weird during the debate when obama promised to balance the budget, cut taxes and be home
star of "the voice," christina aguilera is getting something from secretary of state, hillary clinton. you are watching "first look" on msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste...
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secretary clinton is brilliant as a diplomat, she is trying to pull together what she has got. but the fact of the matter is, we're coming out. the taliban knows it. so does the karzai government, why would this not be a bad situation? >> so looking at history, sir, is the u.s. the soviet union? >> well, no, not at all. we're actually in there, and i think in a legitimate way. with a punitive expedition to try to respond to the attack, which was launched and coordinated from afghanistan. and, so i think the intervention was legitimate. it was flawed execution, starting with the bush team. president obama surged more forces in there, did some good on the ground. but it didn't produce an afghan government that was competent, and had some sense integrity, the key to afghanistan is pakistan, and possibly, they're on the verge of unraveling also, potentially with nuclear weapons, so tough situation for america. >> yes, you have to be sitting down when you here those statements, thank you. >>> and now to number four, it appears michael vick may own a dog, the evidence comes from a tw
secretary clinton is brilliant as a diplomat, she is trying to pull together what she has got. but the fact of the matter is, we're coming out. the taliban knows it. so does the karzai government, why would this not be a bad situation? >> so looking at history, sir, is the u.s. the soviet union? >> well, no, not at all. we're actually in there, and i think in a legitimate way. with a punitive expedition to try to respond to the attack, which was launched and coordinated from...
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barack obama, it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton, chris dodd, joe biden, out debated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him and people get -- at some point you just have to say because he doesn't have his -- i mean, as great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but true. i believe it's the professor versus -- >> how can you be president of the united states, mark halperin and not have these basic answers? >> well, it's more the format i think than not having the answers. he spent a lot of the evening going after mitt romney for things that he thinks he can win the election on like taxes and medicare. it wasn't like he never responded to him. >> isn't the format in washington that you get in a room with someone and you go at it and try and figure it out? >> and that's what we're asking. has he been too isolated? listen, we talked to him -- the guy is brilliant. he really is. but has he become so isolated there's n
barack obama, it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton, chris dodd, joe biden, out debated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him and people get -- at some point you just have to say because he doesn't have his -- i mean, as great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but true. i believe it's the professor versus --...
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i think bill clinton was able to say things that barack obama couldn't say. he inherited a mess and making it better. >> when we come back it kraig shirley joins us and michael duffy is here. but first here is a check on the forecast. >>> the weather story this morning has been the fog. it has been very dense around philadelphia and new york city. earlier it wasn't that good over reagan international airport. the delay so far has been limited to philadelphia northwards into the new york city airport. here is our fog advisory. all of the new york saelt and philadelphia. airport delays in newark. la guardia two hours away. those airports have those issues. it will begin to ripple across the country. after the fog lifts it will be a warm day. still a few showers in new england and maybe a stray thunderstorm. the october temperature forecast. we have big changes sweeping through the eastern half of the country. much cooler air starting today in the northwest. the exception is going to be all of the west coast. we are going to stay nice and warm. the bottom line t
i think bill clinton was able to say things that barack obama couldn't say. he inherited a mess and making it better. >> when we come back it kraig shirley joins us and michael duffy is here. but first here is a check on the forecast. >>> the weather story this morning has been the fog. it has been very dense around philadelphia and new york city. earlier it wasn't that good over reagan international airport. the delay so far has been limited to philadelphia northwards into the...
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. >> i think bill clinton would call this number lower, just simple arithmetic. jan schakowsky, thank you for joining me this morning. >> and happy birthday to you. >> thank you. thank you so much. we want to show you those numbers, 7.8% unemployment, the low nest nearly to yours. employers adding nearly 114,000 new jobs. the 7.8% rate is the same as when president obama took office back in january of '09. now, it claimed to 10% in october of that year before then starting to fall. last month unemployment dropping among adult men and women and also in teens, but it's still a whopping 23.7% for that last group. now, here is how we break it down. it dropped among whites, african-americans, hispanics, and asians, but unemployment among african-americans and hispanics remains well above the national average. joining me now is cbs contributor ron insana who is also host of a syndicated radio program called the market scoreboard report and with us from waution, jared bernstein, former economist for joe biden. it's good to have you here. jared, i start with you. as we l
. >> i think bill clinton would call this number lower, just simple arithmetic. jan schakowsky, thank you for joining me this morning. >> and happy birthday to you. >> thank you. thank you so much. we want to show you those numbers, 7.8% unemployment, the low nest nearly to yours. employers adding nearly 114,000 new jobs. the 7.8% rate is the same as when president obama took office back in january of '09. now, it claimed to 10% in october of that year before then starting to...
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it's going to sink in better and i think it fits the narrative that barack obama and bill clinton at the convention have been trying to persuade the country to accept, which is inherited a really bad situation. we've made real progress. we have a way to go. well, today it looks like we made real progress. >> well, barack obama did not inherit bill clinton's economy. he inherited george bush's economy. i think we have forgotten that along the way. robert wolf and bob shrum great to have you both with us tonight. thanks so much. remember, answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter at ed show and on facebook. we want to know what you think. coming up a big win for the economy means mitt romney is losing his favorite talking point. democratic strategist chris covinas will tell us what 7.3% unemployment means for the romney campaign. stay with us. [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar for every dollar car insurance companies say they'll save you by switching, you'd have like, a ton of dollars. but how are they saving you those dollars? a l
it's going to sink in better and i think it fits the narrative that barack obama and bill clinton at the convention have been trying to persuade the country to accept, which is inherited a really bad situation. we've made real progress. we have a way to go. well, today it looks like we made real progress. >> well, barack obama did not inherit bill clinton's economy. he inherited george bush's economy. i think we have forgotten that along the way. robert wolf and bob shrum great to have...
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is that bill clinton's work? >> reporter: i was just going to say, is it bill clinton's? you could credit him. i think he deserves some credit in the argument he laid out at the convention. but clearly you've moved something. this isn't just democrats deciding, hey, i'm with obama and now i feel better about the country. you're seeing moves with independent voters on that question. people that are going to end up voting for romney, who believe the economy is in recovery. >> the reason for the -- the reason -- >> reporter: the whole thing is coming together for obama. he's in re-elect territory. >> guys, the numbers don't back that up. our second quarter growth number was 1.3, wasn't it? i mean, how do you get -- why are they saying it's better? >> but chris, the people who study this kind of thing and try to correlate economic numbers with election results will tell you that the numbers were good enough in the second and third quarter in terms of growth of real personal income in the country to correlate to a victory for incumbent president. >> wow. >> no, the numbers hav
is that bill clinton's work? >> reporter: i was just going to say, is it bill clinton's? you could credit him. i think he deserves some credit in the argument he laid out at the convention. but clearly you've moved something. this isn't just democrats deciding, hey, i'm with obama and now i feel better about the country. you're seeing moves with independent voters on that question. people that are going to end up voting for romney, who believe the economy is in recovery. >> the...
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bill clinton, lord knows, that's what it was all about with that guy. and this guy, i mean, can't do it at all. by the way, that's also the magic of the tea party movement. >> can't you imagine having some caviar with mitt romney? bellinis? >> with special spoons you have to eat it with. it can't be silver. it's got to be whatever it is. i'm sure mitt romney can tell you all about it. he just can't switch it on. not only that, this is the republican party and conservatism generally has been coasting on this notion, this sort of populist aura that hoverses around them and he's the opposite, you know. he's -- i was reading this great story in "rolling stone" the other day by matt taibbi about how mitt romney is like all of the terrible movie villains of the last 30 years. you know, he's the rich fraternity boy that's such a snob to the guys in animal house, right? you go down the list of movie villains and this is the kind of guy. perfectly, well coifed executives who fire everybody. >> thomas, i'm so grateful to you, but i'm afraid we've run out of time.
bill clinton, lord knows, that's what it was all about with that guy. and this guy, i mean, can't do it at all. by the way, that's also the magic of the tea party movement. >> can't you imagine having some caviar with mitt romney? bellinis? >> with special spoons you have to eat it with. it can't be silver. it's got to be whatever it is. i'm sure mitt romney can tell you all about it. he just can't switch it on. not only that, this is the republican party and conservatism generally...
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anyone who has a subgroup or culture -- >> bill clinton was the king, skoed switch in a talk, right? >> right. >> why is that such a negative? i do agree to a certain extent the president had to be -- he is confined and constrained to a certain extent that he the k. not get angry, he cannot have the flash of irritation because it will be replayed endlessly. given, that's a given. but still, you know, he could have been more present. but why is the whole notion of code switching so wrong? >> well, so this is -- this is -- art and i were speculating on this in the green room, which is that, one, i think that probably this whole speculation, i have no facts to go on. >> it's new. here we go. >> i'm very comfortable with that. >> so -- but the point is, i guess that what the campaign was saying is, you're ahead, your job is to look presidential. so, don't go on the attack. you're winning. be presidential. and that part of what that is can also play as don't be the angry black man but i suspect they were thinking less about that and thinking more about, you know, use your advantage and be
anyone who has a subgroup or culture -- >> bill clinton was the king, skoed switch in a talk, right? >> right. >> why is that such a negative? i do agree to a certain extent the president had to be -- he is confined and constrained to a certain extent that he the k. not get angry, he cannot have the flash of irritation because it will be replayed endlessly. given, that's a given. but still, you know, he could have been more present. but why is the whole notion of code...
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bill clinton said something smart about debates. they are like jazz. there is a melody you have to play, but you have to be able to imp improvi improvise, as well. if you're too rigid, you don't hear the opportunity to riff. >> there is a rich history and not all of them involve what the candidate said rather than what they did. when president bush was checking his watch. the cut-aways are so pivotal to see what type of response the other candidate is having. the reaction, that is. both sides need to play this cool, correct? >> they sure do. that is a great question. it's a great thing to focus on. cut-aways as an issue, that goes back to kennedy and nixon. we've been talking about this part of reaction shots over 50 years. candidates still haven't mastered the thought you have to think about what you're looking like when you don't speak. bill clinton was one who actually used to practice his facial expressions for when he wasn't talking. i think most candidates would poo-poo that idea, but i think there is value in it. >> there is spin room for both s
bill clinton said something smart about debates. they are like jazz. there is a melody you have to play, but you have to be able to imp improvi improvise, as well. if you're too rigid, you don't hear the opportunity to riff. >> there is a rich history and not all of them involve what the candidate said rather than what they did. when president bush was checking his watch. the cut-aways are so pivotal to see what type of response the other candidate is having. the reaction, that is. both...
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that's why nancy reagan and hillary clinton and others have been willing to do. the other is to show him the picture. whether it's after a news conference where the answer has been boggled or after a debate like this. it's hard to deliver bad news to the president. it's hard for the president not to believe his own eyes. >> let's get to david what mitt romney said the day after the debate about his 47% line. here it is. >> clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions, now and then you're going to say something that doesn't come out right. in this case i said something that's completely wrong. this whole campaign is about the 100%. >> okay. here's a two-part question. first part to you, ed. was this going to be his answer had he gotten a chance in the debate but he didn't get that chance so he had to trot this out in the first post-debate interview? >> yes. i think he was. i think he probably was going to be ready with that response. that was a really damaging comment on that hidden video about the 47%. the obam
that's why nancy reagan and hillary clinton and others have been willing to do. the other is to show him the picture. whether it's after a news conference where the answer has been boggled or after a debate like this. it's hard to deliver bad news to the president. it's hard for the president not to believe his own eyes. >> let's get to david what mitt romney said the day after the debate about his 47% line. here it is. >> clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of...
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it is this, you know, the obama campaign, that their belief in this has been since the sort of bill clinton explanation of digging out of this hole, has been that ultimately the last sliver of swing voters is going to say okay, let's not change horses in mid stream. they're making a classic incumbent case of saying it's not great, but, hey, do you want to start over? and i go back, i remember watching a couple of focus groups, there was one out in nevada with working women and one woman said i'm not happy with obama. i'm not happy with the economy. but god, i don't want to have to start over. there's this perception. so that to me is a tricky thing for romney. right romney has got to sort of make the case that we're not going to rip everything out by the roots. which is of course what some in this space do want to have happen. but i'm going to create a better recovery. a faster recovery. so i think that's what the 8% means, right? it means he's got to be more nuanced in that argument. where the president can sit there and make the same case -- do you really want to start over? >> there's an
it is this, you know, the obama campaign, that their belief in this has been since the sort of bill clinton explanation of digging out of this hole, has been that ultimately the last sliver of swing voters is going to say okay, let's not change horses in mid stream. they're making a classic incumbent case of saying it's not great, but, hey, do you want to start over? and i go back, i remember watching a couple of focus groups, there was one out in nevada with working women and one woman said...
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it goes back to bill clinton. >> there was a story out yesterday that that claim is fiction because you don't count the loophole closing. >> what loophole? >> he talked about mortgage interest. really quickly -- >> mortgage interest? >> he has never talked about mortgage interest. >> the hilarity that there is one -- >> we have one loophole. >> mike, finish, but then i want to get on to something else. >> the president says he wants to lower tax cuts to big corporations. how to pay for it? loopholes. what loopholes? nothing. we'll tell you after the election. you're attacking romney for the same thing. >> i want to talk about the gas prices. one thing that was striking, speaker gingrich, is what some were arguing about the actual numbers. jack welch made a lot of headlines with a tweet that said, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers without any substantiation. he was on "hardball" with chris matthews and this is how he explained it. >> i've reviewed 14 businesses this week. from restaurants to widgets. i have seen everyb
it goes back to bill clinton. >> there was a story out yesterday that that claim is fiction because you don't count the loophole closing. >> what loophole? >> he talked about mortgage interest. really quickly -- >> mortgage interest? >> he has never talked about mortgage interest. >> the hilarity that there is one -- >> we have one loophole. >> mike, finish, but then i want to get on to something else. >> the president says he wants to lower...
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that's hillary clinton. now, a few words from a member of the house science committee, georgia republican paul brown, a medical doctor, gave a sermon at a baptist church last month and addressed the issue of evolution. >> i've come to understand that all that stuff i was talk taught about evolution, embryology, big bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. and it's lies to try to keep me and the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior. there are a lot of scientific data that i found out as a scientist that actually showed that this is really a young earth. i don't believe that the earth has been around 9,000 years. i believe it was created in six days as we know them. >> well, bill nye, the science guy, had this to say in response to congressman brown's comments. quote, since the economic future of the united states depends on our tradition of technological innovation, representative brown's views are not in the national interest. he is by any measure, unquali
that's hillary clinton. now, a few words from a member of the house science committee, georgia republican paul brown, a medical doctor, gave a sermon at a baptist church last month and addressed the issue of evolution. >> i've come to understand that all that stuff i was talk taught about evolution, embryology, big bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. and it's lies to try to keep me and the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior....
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and bill clinton tried the approach i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs. we went from deficit to surplus. and businesses did very well. >> you know what i hear and i hear it in the president's speeches, he's still working the interest groups rather than selling a national plan. he keeps talking about more teachers. he doesn't necessarily push education he pushes more teachers and he'll refurbish the school buildings. grant it the aft like it maybe your people like it but it isn't a national plan for economic development and tonight they said what's your difference and that's all he could come up with is something about the teachers. where's the national macroeconomic plan to get us out of these doldrums. >> i think he talks about education in a much different way as well. and not just talk about. he's done it. he talked about the "race to the top" tonight. as a former urban school superintendent that's done more to reform schools across the country than anything else the federal government has ever done but there needs to be more than that as well. he's ta
and bill clinton tried the approach i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs. we went from deficit to surplus. and businesses did very well. >> you know what i hear and i hear it in the president's speeches, he's still working the interest groups rather than selling a national plan. he keeps talking about more teachers. he doesn't necessarily push education he pushes more teachers and he'll refurbish the school buildings. grant it the aft like it maybe your people like it but it...
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she moderated the debate between bush, clinton, perot. here's her analysis of what's important. >> i'm going to upset some people now, but debates are more about style than substance. the advantage of being a moderator is that people told me what they thought about the debate after the debate. and the things they told me were things like why did george bush look at his watch? where did he have to go? why was he anxious to get out of there? and people tell me now that they want to see how they do. they don't want to hear. i think they've heard a lot about the economy. and they're not interested in the minutia. >> governor, let me get your take on style versus substance. and can you really coach style? i mean, maybe you can say don't look at your watch, but aren't these guys who they are by now? >> i think a lot of it comes down to whether or not the candidates look like they're comfortable in their own skin. i think the president certainly does. and it's been perhaps more difficult for governor romney because he's had to change positions a
she moderated the debate between bush, clinton, perot. here's her analysis of what's important. >> i'm going to upset some people now, but debates are more about style than substance. the advantage of being a moderator is that people told me what they thought about the debate after the debate. and the things they told me were things like why did george bush look at his watch? where did he have to go? why was he anxious to get out of there? and people tell me now that they want to see how...
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some of the evidence suggests from the clinton years, it doesn't produce that. >> yeah, i agree, john. i think he does have to make that case, though. he has to make some sort of affirmative case. i really don't think it's enough for romney to point at obama and say he's doing a bad job. that hasn't gotten him over the hump. and i do think he has to say, look, here's what i'm going to do and here's how it's going to make things better. and if -- if he's going to talk about tax cuts, he's got to explain how that's going to make the life of, well, frankly, the 47% any better. and that's a challenge. >> all right. eugene robinson, thank you. john harwood, thung. chuck todd, we'll see you on the daily rundown. >>> coming up, a showdown in last night's massachusetts race. senator scott brown and elizabeth warren face off in their second televised debate. kelly o'donnell joins us with a live report. but first, some say if we fix the housing market, we'll fix the economy. so how close are we to solving the foreclosure crisis? cnbc's david faber and the founder of the online lending company l
some of the evidence suggests from the clinton years, it doesn't produce that. >> yeah, i agree, john. i think he does have to make that case, though. he has to make some sort of affirmative case. i really don't think it's enough for romney to point at obama and say he's doing a bad job. that hasn't gotten him over the hump. and i do think he has to say, look, here's what i'm going to do and here's how it's going to make things better. and if -- if he's going to talk about tax cuts, he's...
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like bill clinton's 1980 lost. like george w. bush's 1978 loss. that's where they lose. >> romney got annihilateded by ted kennedy. just devastated. it is an eye opener to watch him in his very first debate get completely slaughtered. it was amazing and everybody in our film says that was the moment. where he said wait a minute, i better grow up. >> so, he responded one way. president obama responded another? >> well, obama had a different problem, too, which is that michelle has never really wanted him to be in politics. >> she didn't look really happy in that clip, by the way. >> no, and if you're carrying that around with you until the big bang moment, the 2004 speech in boston, you have a thing ticking in the back of your head that says maybe tht not the business i should be in. >> do you explain that, how it is so tough for a politician with a reluctant spouse who is saying honey, please, don't choose this line of business. do you guys go into that? >> it can be really hard for a politician or a spouse, including members of their own party. a
like bill clinton's 1980 lost. like george w. bush's 1978 loss. that's where they lose. >> romney got annihilateded by ted kennedy. just devastated. it is an eye opener to watch him in his very first debate get completely slaughtered. it was amazing and everybody in our film says that was the moment. where he said wait a minute, i better grow up. >> so, he responded one way. president obama responded another? >> well, obama had a different problem, too, which is that michelle...
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i think it's -- >> even clinton was going to be tough on china and wasn't. >> sure. he really overshot. he used the butchers of beijing and brought a lot of issues. i think our trade relation with china are generally positive, but there is an area of malfeasance. there is room for improvement. >> too aggressive? >> i don't know. one thing he clearly decided, he's not going to let obama outflank hill on that issue. here's the difference. both can be a bad cop china, but romney's also a good cop to work out a positive trade agenda to grow the economy as well. >> let me ask you about ohio. it's your home state. what's been happening there? maybe things have shrunk. what were you thinking? >> i still get the sense obama's ahead. i think that might have been a obama high point. i think he was trending down, then the debate happened. i just came back from a few days in ohio. i think he's outspending romney on tv there. i think they both have a very strong ground game. sherrod brown's probably a point or two up on that as well. so i think it comes to the next two debates. i
i think it's -- >> even clinton was going to be tough on china and wasn't. >> sure. he really overshot. he used the butchers of beijing and brought a lot of issues. i think our trade relation with china are generally positive, but there is an area of malfeasance. there is room for improvement. >> too aggressive? >> i don't know. one thing he clearly decided, he's not going to let obama outflank hill on that issue. here's the difference. both can be a bad cop china, but...